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Brian Mead
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| Gary Hartman's gone? When? Also add Beast, Trick, Indy, and Cobra to your list. If you go back far enough, also Challenger, Lancer, and STS from MSS. |
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John Matthews
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Location: United States, Michigan, Williamsburg
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:34 am Post subject: |
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My daughter and I will be running Time Machines this season, nothing big, just some club stuff.
Unfortunately by the time Mike Clements got the chassis fully sorted we were at the end of the 2000's spending spree and it never got up enough numbers to be counted in this field. Still, good to see some interest in US built chassis. Hopefully it's not all nostalgia 
Cheers,
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Frankie Schaffier
Joined: 18 Jul 2001
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Location: United States, Ohio, Fostoria
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| John Matthews wrote: | | My daughter and I will be running Time Machines this season, nothing big, just some club stuff. |
John,
Very very cool, father and daughter running together. Your family is a perfect example of the need to keep the cost down. More often then not, when the child starts racing the parent stops due to cost. My son is in Afghanistan right now, but when he returns, we'll be back that the track together. Out of all the years I've been karting, I must say the most fun I've had has been with the two of us at the track as drivers. To the point where I'm probably going to run the clone class when he returns just so we can race each other. And no different they you, our focus will be the local level.
I didn't understand the importance of the over all cost until I started to times everything by two. Your point of saying "Hopefully it's not all nostalgia" can only be decied by us and where we spend our hard earned money.
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Greg Wright
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Location: United States, Indiana, Clermont
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| David Siller wrote: |
Hartman would be impossible as both John and Gary are gone |
Are you sure about this?  John's been gone a long time but Gary was driving a cab in Las Vegas a couple of years ago.
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David Siller
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Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:06 am Post subject: |
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I am not sure about Gary, so sorry Gary!
I even had a Trick A Frame. I thought I listed Kobra (or was it Cobra?).
My old age is acting up I suppose.
Trick
Indy
Time Machine
Beast
Challenger
Lancer (had a cool fuel tank driver panel)
STS
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Tim Blaney
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| CTS made some cool shifter chassis around the turn of the century. I think Howden has one under a couple piles of some old magazine he used to publish. |
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Rob Howden
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| Tim Blaney wrote: | | CTS made some cool shifter chassis around the turn of the century. I think Howden has one under a couple piles of some old magazine he used to publish. |
I'm rebuilding an 2001 CTS 80cc Attitude shifter. It's been sitting in my garage for 10 years.  Great chassis, incredible workmanship.
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Frankie Schaffier
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Greg Wright wrote: | | David Siller wrote: |
Hartman would be impossible as both John and Gary are gone |
Are you sure about this? John's been gone a long time but Gary was driving a cab in Las Vegas a couple of years ago. |
Your right, that's the last news I've heard of Gary. It would be worth the cab ride money just to have him drive around talking about port timing. 
You never know the decisions that someone may make. You just can't second guess the call, as it's their call to make. Karting misses Gary and his talents.
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David Siller
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Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Gary was indeed a genius back in the day! There were a few real geniuses back then like John Hartman, Rich Burton, Gary Nelson, Al Nunley and others I can't exactly remember at this moment...!
The list:
Margay
Invader
Emmick
Coyote
MXK
Olsen
Tommy
White
Eagle
Phoenix
Edge - (Comet Kart & Margay) [Out Of Production]
Trackmagic [???]
Shockwave [OOP]
CTS - (custom built)
TNR - (built @ Nelson then Margay)
Bug - (now Classics only)
Burton [OOP]
Hartman [OOP]
JKS [OOP]
Proline [OOP]
Mako Shark [Hand-built and OOP]
GT Karts - (Canada) [OOP]
Kombra (70's)[OOP]
Viper (70's) [OOP]
Mario - (Canada) [OOP]
Trick
Indy
Time Machine
Buller
Alpha [OOP]
Sox
Beast [OOP]
Challenger
Lancer (had a cool fuel tank driver panel) [OOP]
STS
Blackhawk (very unique designs)
JTS Lightning
More yet to come...!
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Frankie Schaffier
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Blackhawk, from late 70's early 80's time frame (I think).
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Mike Burris
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Location: United States, California, Huntington Beach
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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IKS (Banzai sprint & Enduro)
R&D Ron Mitchell (Enduro)
Hegar
Sbarbaro (?) Nor Cal Sprint & enduro)
ARM American Racing Machine Don Burke (enduro)
Shiffert (enduro)
Eyerly (first laydown enduro.) Pac Norwest
Hornet Richard Peck (sprint & enduro)
Plus there 30 or 40 still active building oval karts and quite honestly many of them are doing quite well! 
Frankie, Dismore (Emerson) used to tell me he'd buy a Black Hawk when he got low on rod ends and part it out!! |
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Frankie Schaffier
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Location: United States, Ohio, Fostoria
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike Burris wrote: | | Frankie, Dismore (Emerson) used to tell me he'd buy a Black Hawk when he got low on rod ends and part it out!! |
That's funny and he was right. That thing was one weird kart. I tried to find a picture, but no luck. I have a couple old tech manuals I'm sure there's a picture in one of those I may be able to scan.
Beside all the crap on it, two things I remember. It had this goofy triangle fuel tank that set between your legs that was mounted off the steering shaft or some damn thing. And there wasn't a floor pan between the seat and where you put your feet, it was all open. Hence they couldn't mount the tank to the floor pan between the frame rails, as there wasn't a pan there.
I had an IKS enduro.. We didn't get along. I thought it should roll on it's tires, it thought it should slide along on my helmet.
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Ted Hamilton
Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 988
Location: United States, North Carolina, King
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Frankie Schaffier wrote: | | I had an IKS enduro.. We didn't get along. I thought it should roll on it's tires, it thought it should slide along on my helmet. |
You obviously should've duct taped a cat belly-down to the floorpan.
Thanks for all the input, gang... Never knew there were THAT many, but glad to hear it. Does sadden me a bit to see the demise of American originality and independence in karting... Hopefully the latest Comet offering catches on and the other still existing brands grow stronger...
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David Siller
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Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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The list: (sprints)
Margay
Invader
Emmick
Coyote
MXK
Olsen
Tommy
White
Eagle
Phoenix
Edge - (Comet Kart & Margay) [Out Of Production]
Trackmagic [???]
Shockwave [OOP]
CTS - (custom built)
TNR - (built @ Nelson then Margay)
Bug - (now Classics only)
Burton [OOP]
Hartman [OOP]
JKS [OOP]
Proline [OOP]
Mako Shark [Hand-built and OOP]
GT Karts - (Canada) [OOP]
Kombra (70's)[OOP]
Viper (70's) [OOP]
Mario - (Canada) [OOP]
Trick
Indy
Time Machine
Buller
Alpha [OOP]
Sox
Beast [OOP]
Challenger
Lancer (had a cool fuel tank driver panel) [OOP]
STS
Blackhawk (very unique designs) [OOP]
JTS Lightning [OOP]
IKS Banzai [OOP]
Hornet - (I don't remember sidewinders though)
Red Devil - (Hellcat or Wildkat) [OOP]
Sbarbaro [OOP]
?????
I have pictures of the Blackhawk somewhere...!
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Jim Giannopoulos
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Location: United States, Arizona, Gilbert
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:59 pm Post subject: Stallion Duals |
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| Steve Huffman built 2 twins in the 80's. He raced 1 successfully before the cover kart (karting digest) TNR twin crashed into him at Blackhawk. I had the other with yamaha's. Steve was fast with the dual red/yellow kart. |
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