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Pax Rolfe
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: Driving style and Hello. |
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Hello everyone, I am new to Karts but not new to solo. I had the opportunity to run Wendell Karr-ake's kart at a local event back in August and I'm ruined. I have contracted the Karting disease. I hope to have my own next month and run a bunch of events this season.
As a benchmark, my first time in the kart, I was a little over 2 seconds slower than Wendell on a 40-50 second course. My question is, what adjustments do i need to make to my driving style? Are there common mistakes that new karters make when transitioning from door-slammers?
I've seen a lot of posts on setup and things mechanical, but not a lot on the nut behind the wheel. Can I get some tips, things to focus on initially that might shallow my learning curve a bit.
Thanks in advance. _________________ Pax
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Joe Ricard
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 864 Location: United States, Mississippi,
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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subscribing to this as well
My .02 cents is if you aren't shaking like a leaf while getting back to your grid spot you didn't go fast enough. _________________ Arrow AX-8/ Rotax Sr. |
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Pax Rolfe
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe Ricard wrote: | | My .02 cents is if you aren't shaking like a leaf while getting back to your grid spot you didn't go fast enough. |
Got that one covered  _________________ Pax
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Tim Walsh
Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Posts: 64 Location: United States, North Carolina, Winston-Salem
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't been karting long, but there are a couple things to think about.
1. Don't forget you don't have a diff or a suspension, therefore throw everything you know about car setup out the window. Seriously, most of it will just mess you up.
2. Because you don't have a diff, a kart will scrub speed badly anytime the wheel is turned.
2a. When you're off the gas, you will understeer, so make sure you can exit every corner on the gas.
3. When launching or moving around the grid, keep the wheel completely straight until you've let the clutch out all the way. I stalled the kart a few times in grid because I had the wheel turned. The kart doesn't make enough torque at 4-6k to get the kart moving when they're turned. _________________ 2002 Birel CR32V/ StockMoto w/PI |
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Jason Vehige
Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 282 Location: United States, Tennessee, Nashville
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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If you trail brake a lot in cars start breaking the habit.... be aware of old tires... it can get very frustrating to chase tires that have simply gone off... they normally loose grip long before the rubber is gone....
otherwise the only real advice I can give is to LOOK AHEAD as much as possible!!! and HAVE FUN!!!  _________________ Jason Vehige
08 Gillard Charlotte / SGM sl204
05 Vanspeed Sirio / SGM sl204 |
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Pax Rolfe
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| Jason Vehige wrote: | If you trail brake a lot in cars start breaking the habit....otherwise the only real advice I can give is to LOOK AHEAD as much as possible!!! and HAVE FUN!!!  |
Thanks! That's the kind of stuff I'm looking for. I do left-foot-brake and trail brake a lot. Having thought about it A BUNCH, I think my biggest gains are going to come from corner entry. I think that's where I'm weak. I could probably carry more speed through the corner also, once I get more than 8 runs under my belt. _________________ Pax
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Trey Davis
Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 77 Location: United States, Tennessee, Knoxville
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I can attest to the trail braking deal. I got myself into plenty of squirreliness trying that. Braking early and in a straight line is very important.
Two huge things I learned last year: Slow down the hands and roll on the gas. I came out of some lower horsepower cars and got used to stomping the gas. _________________ 05CRG/99Honda |
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Joe Ricard
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 864 Location: United States, Mississippi,
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Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Find a sprint track to do tons of laps on . However your chassis tuning will be significantly different.
the driving aspect will certainly make you better dodging cones. _________________ Arrow AX-8/ Rotax Sr. |
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Robbie Nelson
Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 131
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Ricard wrote: | | Find a sprint track to do tons of laps on. |
Agreed! Practice time at a sprint track is well worth it to a novice.
When you get your own kart, don't spend too much time tuning it. IMHO, the nut behind the wheel needs about year of running before you start to mess with the chassis. Get the carb jetting to where it's "safe" and just run it. |
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Tom Reynolds
Joined: 08 Jul 2008 Posts: 555 Location: United States, New Mexico, Albuquerque
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Robbie Nelson wrote: | | Joe Ricard wrote: | | Find a sprint track to do tons of laps on. |
Agreed! Practice time at a sprint track is well worth it to a novice. |
This is true, even for not the novice, tons of time on the sprint track can be huge. A great way to do this is never do more than 3 laps in a row, let your tires cool completely and then go out again. This will get you used to what a parking lot will feel a lot better than endless laps on warm tires though that's good for shifting practice.
| Quote: | | When you get your own kart, don't spend too much time tuning it. |
Unfortunately I could not disagree more with this. I believed this myself and now realize it was simply years I lost that I could have tuned the kart to be faster, easier to drive and very educational. I got lucky my first nationals in the kart, my setup out of the box was great for Lincoln, but last year I spent the entire week chasing the setup and never was completely happy.
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Jared Langenfeld
Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 65 Location: United States, Kansas, Kansas City
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Last season was my first season in a kart (after 5+ years in cars), and I would say the following was the biggest things I had to learn:
1. You REALLY have to look ahead and get used to the perspective of a kart. When you are walking a course, squat down every once in a while to really see what you are going to see.
2. You have to be smoother with your inputs. Jabbing the brakes will unsettle the kart and being jerky with the wheel will unsettle the kart.
3. Brake in a STRAIGHT line! I learned quickly that if I tried to trail brake, I would spin. It is very tempting to trail brake when you are always left-foot braking, but don't do it!
4. You REALLY do have that much grip! I remember the first few events when I started to get close to Shawn in times and was amazed at how much grip I had.
5. LOOK AHEAD!
6. HAVE FUN!
After a season in Shawn's kart, I am hooked and bought my own kart at the end of last year and I'm excited for this season to start! _________________ 2008 Mike Wilson with Honda CR125 shifter |
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Pax Rolfe
Joined: 28 Feb 2010 Posts: 18
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks guys, keep'em coming. Turns out next month came sooner than later. Going to fetch my kart the weekend after next. First event is mid march. It's a kart that's already being used for solo and consistently places in the top third in PAX. Hopefully it will continue to do so with Pax behind the wheel  _________________ Pax
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Jim McMahon
Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 2658 Location: United States, St. Paul,
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Joe Ricard
Joined: 23 Jun 2009 Posts: 864 Location: United States, Mississippi,
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Yep, or my favorite one I tell my wife when she drives her kart. Gas is on the right, it goes to the floor. _________________ Arrow AX-8/ Rotax Sr. |
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Bill Schmidt
Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Posts: 241 Location: United States, Kansas, Kansas City
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Pax,
I co-drove with Wendell the 2nd day of Nats last year, after my shifter cable broke on my butterfly shifter mechanism. His kart is wicked fast! _________________ Bill Schmidt
'95 Trackmagic 125 shifter (Kawi)
'88 Red Devil F500 4-link rear (Rotax) |
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