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Gordon Duax
Joined: 22 Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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I was just looking through an old ('93) Walbro service book at WB carbs, and besides the WB3A, there are/were several other WB models listed as 'racing kart' carbs.
Some of them with larger venturi diameters.
WB3A has a venturi diameter of 23.8mm.
WB7,8, and 13 have a 25.4mm venturi,
and the WB18 & 20 have a 26mm venturi.
The WB7 was listed for a Noguchi kart engine.
The WB8 was listed for a Carroll kart engine.
The WB13 was listed for another Yamaha,
with the Yamaha p/n being 7KO-14501-00, and engine model OK64 (?)
The WB18 listed as for a Showa, with the p/n almost identical to the Yamaha, 7KO-14501-01
WB20 also for a Showa kart engine.
Seems to be some opening here for stock appearing classes.
I have no idea if any of these are still available........ |
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al nunley
Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 3037
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Sounds interesting. An information, or pictures, on the pumping capacity? Any of these carbs have double pumpers?
Thanks for the posting. _________________ If the data does not support the theory, get a new theory. (Al Nunley)
All else being equal; Compression is the Holy Grail.
45 years, in and around karting |
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Gordon Duax
Joined: 22 Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Been doing some digging since last night, and what I found is that all of them look identical to the WB3a.
There is a kart shop in the mid west that has the WB-20 for about $73 each.
http://www.clearlight.com/~laukrace/walbro.htm
They do show that the pump cover is a different part number.
But forum posts I've found on it, dating back to '07 time frame says that they didn't work out to well.
For what reason, I don't know for sure.
Considering the source, it just may have been something simple like incorrect pop-off, or the failure to open the flow path up from the throttle, all the way to the piston, etc..
Hell, if this was the 1950's, there would be people swearing that tuned pipes are a waste of time......
Sometimes it just takes the right person to figure it out. |
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Colin Edwards
Joined: 30 Sep 2009 Posts: 87 Location: Australia, Not USA, Melbourne
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Need to factor in the fact the WB3A was designed primarily as a chain saw carby. Not too much need for the tight tolerances you would expect from a carby designed for competition bikes / karts like say the Dellorto VHSB on a Rotax! _________________ Real Racing Cars don't have doors! |
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Gordon Duax
Joined: 22 Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:26 am Post subject: |
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LoL !
I still have a couple of 'chainsaw' engines that will outrun any piston port  |
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John Mulvihill
Joined: 14 Oct 2001 Posts: 1142 Location: United States, New York,
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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But, what about the kart motors made into competition chainsaws?
Can I get anybody to look into their good carbs and report back?
Come on, its just a few screws........
John _________________ I bowl overhand.......... |
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JIM SILVERHEELS
Joined: 22 Jul 2006 Posts: 587 Location: United States, Massachusetts, LUDLOW
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:45 am Post subject: HUH |
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Name one chainsaw or string trimmer the 3a is on. _________________ Don't get stuck in someone else's discarded chewing gum with your thought process. |
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Gordon Duax
Joined: 22 Dec 2009 Posts: 139 Location: United States, Texas, San Antonio
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Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think Colin was reffering to that series of carb, the WB......
And yes, many of the WB series (with the exact same venturi size as the WB3A) are listed as saw carbs.
Stange thing is that the Mugen kart engine came with a WB3A on it......
So it can't be all that bad. |
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Mike Arnold
Joined: 08 Nov 2005 Posts: 1089 Location: United States, Kentucky,
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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 9:43 am Post subject: Blueprint Carb's |
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Reading through all of this....is it possible to blueprint or modify a stock carb into a much better carb?
Are higher dollar carb's better than the $75 stock carbs?
Mike |
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al nunley
Joined: 13 Nov 2006 Posts: 3037
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Blueprint Carb's |
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| Mike Arnold wrote: | Reading through all of this....is it possible to blueprint or modify a stock carb into a much better carb?
Are higher dollar carb's better than the $75 stock carbs?
Mike |
You hear, all the time, about there being better WB3’s, right out of the box.. Some of the best carb people in the country tell of there being 1 or 2 in a batch of 10-20 carbs that are better. Nobody knows why, it seems.
If you blueprint one, it doesn’t really make it faster, necessarily, but it can allow it to perform better in tough conditions. On a hot, high air density day, a blue printed carb, with bigger fuel passages, maybe a little more pumping capacity, can give you that little extra fuel you might need to keep the air/fuel ratio at optimum. On a low air density day, not so much. A stock carb might work just as well, or better.
With our blue printed carbs, we found on cool, low air density days, that we had to close the high speed needle completely. On the other hand, in San Diego, on an 80 degree morning with the air density at 103, that same carb just barely got the job done.
And if you think you can just set it and forget, you’re not going to get optimum performance all the time. Engines can get hotter as the race goes on and this sometimes means you need more fuel. Especially on the low speed, coming out of the tightest corners. If you have an EGT, you will see this with the lower readings you get as the engine heats up and get‘s a little leaner. _________________ If the data does not support the theory, get a new theory. (Al Nunley)
All else being equal; Compression is the Holy Grail.
45 years, in and around karting |
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