| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
John Denman
Joined: 19 Jul 2001 Posts: 4846 Location: United States, Texas, McKinney
|
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
|
|
That installation is more then clean, its a work of art and needs to be in a museum.
I was wonedring how they held up to lead, thanks for the answer Joe.
Now if only AIM can come up with a Detonation Sensor. MoTec has one, I wonder what it would take to fit it to a Mychron. _________________ John Denman
Producer for RTMP
http://www.kartweb.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Daryl Choby
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 221
|
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| joseph hollinger wrote: | | Howie Idelson wrote: | | Isn't it supposed to mount at the other end of the pipe - far away from the egt? |
From what I've read, no. The closer it is to the end of the pipe, the more chance it's going to pick up air instead of exhaust. You can't for example, put an O2 sensor in the tailpipe of your car. Like I said, AIM shows it mounted in the flex. |
The Innovate LM1 has a clamp that positions the Lambda at the end of the exhaust pipe.
I ran the LM1 in a Billand 4 Stroke and the information was so riddled with spikes and misreadings that I found it worthless. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Chris Livengood
Joined: 24 Jul 2001 Posts: 2432 Location: United States, Pennsylvania, Da Burgh
|
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: |
|
|
We mounted ours directly in the header trying to avoid contamination. I think my off throttle data was more reliable than what Joe wrote of.
Though since my PC crashed (imagine that) I don't have any data to show.
My setup was a Bosch sensor sent directly the PI system and also to a small LED read out. _________________ http://www.Chrislivengood.net
http://www.Work-Racing.com
http://www.OurZeal.com
http://www.Karting101.com
"Auto racing, helping white guys get laid since 1887!!!" |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Jordon Musser
Joined: 11 Dec 2001 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Texas, Dallas
|
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
FYI,
I wrote a program for predicting gear ratios.. and for that I needed to know when I was off/on throttle also. so I looped through the long/lat acceleration data and developed an algorithm that guessed while I was at WOT or not.
even better, just add a throttle position pot, and whenever it is not at 100% have the data ignore the Lambda sensor.. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Charles Kaneb
Joined: 29 Jan 2008 Posts: 638 Location: United States, Texas, College Station
|
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Even better than that, use a switch at the end of the throttle travel to do the same thing. _________________ "If you're still in full control, you're not going fast enough" - Fred Frame |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Jordon Musser
Joined: 11 Dec 2001 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Texas, Dallas
|
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Yea, but if you are going to add a channel you might as well have something that will help in other areas too. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
joseph hollinger
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 Posts: 9475 Location: United States, California, san francisco
|
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I don't think its really necessary. You're really only interested in the sections of the Lambda curve where the corresponding RPM trace is increasing. Everything else is trivially rejected. If you wanted to be super paranoid, you could add some redundancy by looking at the EGT trace as well. Falling EGT means that the Lambda data is invalid.
I think the data is already there. If you could decipher .drk files (a process I'm working on) it would be pretty easy to get the information you need to optimize Lambda. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
John Mulvihill
Joined: 14 Oct 2001 Posts: 1142 Location: United States, New York,
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Hi Joe,
Do you have a 'target number' on the Lambda that you shoot for?
Thanks,
John |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Jordon Musser
Joined: 11 Dec 2001 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Texas, Dallas
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Joe- you can already export to excel and do that... just eliminate non acceleration data (with the long accel, or calc derivitive off time and RPM) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
joseph hollinger
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 Posts: 9475 Location: United States, California, san francisco
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| John Mulvihill wrote: | Hi Joe,
Do you have a 'target number' on the Lambda that you shoot for?
Thanks,
John |
That's the magic number you test for. On my motor, it turned out to be around .89 (from memory). But the idea is that you do some testing, and find out which number gives you the best acceleration. Once you've figured that out, you tune to maintain that number as conditions change. So, if I test a bunch and .89 turns out to be best then I'd adjust the carb to hit .89 anytime (or any day) I was at the track. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
joseph hollinger
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 Posts: 9475 Location: United States, California, san francisco
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Jordon Musser wrote: | | Joe- you can already export to excel and do that... just eliminate non acceleration data (with the long accel, or calc derivitive off time and RPM) |
Yea, it's just that excel is such a weak and time consuming tool. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Jordon Musser
Joined: 11 Dec 2001 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Texas, Dallas
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I love excel But you can read it straight into matlab/mathcad etc if you prefer something more powerful.
I imported it straight into a VB program I wrote that just parsed the file and then I could work my magic on it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
joseph hollinger
Joined: 12 Sep 2002 Posts: 9475 Location: United States, California, san francisco
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Jordon Musser wrote: | I love excel But you can read it straight into matlab/mathcad etc if you prefer something more powerful.
I imported it straight into a VB program I wrote that just parsed the file and then I could work my magic on it. |
We'll talk about mathcad when you're not getting student discounts anymore. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Jordon Musser
Joined: 11 Dec 2001 Posts: 787 Location: United States, Texas, Dallas
|
Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
No student discounts here!
I wish. I was getting solidworks with a student discount several years after I graduated through the old FSAE team.. but i didnt this year.
like I said.. I actually do most of my file manipulation in visual C++ or visual basic. (express, which is free)
I actually am not a huge mathcad fan.
BTW, I am an engineer by trade. Now that I am farther up the totem pole, I have complete access to all the engineering tools I need on my workstation laptop that I bring home on a daily basis. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Cesar Rull
Joined: 08 Sep 2012 Posts: 317 Location: United States, Florida, Pembroke Pines
|
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| can someone post a picture of where they installed their wideband sensor on their shifter's pipe? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|