Daytona results?

[Randy Domikis]

Michael,

WOW, obviously you still have some issues with that stuff.....

Michael Beamer wrote:

1. "Since you have never designed or built anything yourself I wouldn't expect you to understand it might take a few races to sort it out.However it was put together, it was good enough at Atlanta to finish the race in 5th while you sat on the side of the track and watched."

Michael, a bicycle could have beat me, I jetted a little lean and stuck trying to go fast. I was not trying to put-put around the track. It happens to everyone.

2. "Now a little about your 14 month long 250 carreer and season.Fortunately I can check the facts on Mylaps and not rely on your hype.You never came close at any track or race to setting fast lap.You won one race at putnam with 2 people in it and Slayor was 1 sec a lap faster there until a tire problem took him out.At Barber if the race had been any longer Robbie in his "parkin it laydown" would have beat you. You blew up at least 10 times and went through how many cylinders? You rarely took the checkered flag you just broke later then some people.If anybody else was still running you were behind them. You won attendance trophys this year as you were the only one to race the full point slot. At your home track series Slayor wiped your clock every race.Better to inhale smoke then to always blow it randy. The atendance numbers are not my opinion randy they are the easily checked facts ,something you dont use too often. "

Look Jackass......

Here are the facts for you and anyone else to review. I would look closely at the results.... I performed much better than your altered mind thinks.....After you review them, also look at the number of times that you entered the Unlimited Class on a National Level. You say you raced in 10 races.... which 10 "UNLIMITED RACES" did you run. You didn't. This entire discussion is about the US Superkart series, not WKA Unlimited. Do not combine them, this is not a combined series in any way, shape or form. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RUN THE SERIES AND THE SERIES IS NOT PIGGYBACKING ON ANY WKA NATIONAL RACES AND IF IT TAKES COMPETITORS AWAY FROM WKA, WELL WKA SHOULD TAKE NOTE......


Pos No.
Name Laps Total Tm Diff Best Tm In Lap Best Spd (Mph)



Daytona Dec 2003

Class: Unlimited 2

1 17 Gary Slahor 20 42:27.576 2:03.302 6 103.648
2 28 Kenneth Deutsch 20 42:39.660 12.084 2:03.798 4 103.233
3 10 Joe Galyon 20 42:47.143 19.567 2:04.523 12 102.632
4 12 Randy Domikis 20 43:03.898 36.322 2:03.742 4 103.279(finished)
5 32 Robby Harper 20 43:09.015 41.439 2:04.503 3 102.648
6 6 Brian Wilhelm 20 43:25.218 57.642 2:05.347 2 101.957
7 3 Darrin Cuthbertson 20 43:25.713 58.137 2:06.182 2 101.282
8 29 Jim Farr 20 44:06.034 1:38.458 2:08.544 4 99.421
9 2 Greg Trimmer 20 44:16.606 1:49.030 2:01.575 2 105.120
10 20 Carl Goutell 19 42:43.083 --1 Lap-- 2:09.653 19 98.571
11 30 Robert Lawson 19 43:04.030 20.947 2:11.754 3 96.999
12 25 Donald Brown 19 43:19.460 36.377 2:10.332 3 98.057
13 24 Sam Wright 19 43:28.473 45.390 2:10.362 19 98.035
14 4 Jim Brannon 18 43:10.948 1:11.217 2:17.617 2 92.866
15 5 Jason Slahor 15 35:05.333 2:52.998 2:04.092 4 102.988
16 35 Robby Harper III 12 25:41.589 --8 Laps-- 2:03.108 7 103.811
17 9 David Sarsycki 7 20:01.808 --13 Laps-- 2:42.510 5 78.641
18 31 Frank Moscone 5 15:33.394 --15 Laps-- 2:15.464 4 94.342
19 16 David Kolleda 3 7:39.338 --17 Laps-- 2:10.845 2 97.673
20 34 Kenny Forsha 2 5:10.886 --18 Laps-- 2:07.922 2 99.905
DNS 11 Kyle Schreiber 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 15 Jon Bruner 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 18 Mark Kupper 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 8 Randal Johnson 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 26 Ron Miller 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 27 Michael Denzinger 8 18:29.772 2:08.482 7 99.469
DQ 14 Brad Davis 4 9:34.281 2:06.807 2 100.783
DQ 7 Scott Feisler 2 5:54.486 2:37.053 2 81.374


Class: Unlimited 1

1 2 Greg Trimmer 22 46:46.513 2:02.526 4 104.304
2 7 Randy Domikis 21 46:30.629 37.524 2:04.404 6 102.730(Finished)
3 11 David Kolleda 21 46:57.815 1:04.710 2:07.678 19 100.096
4 15 Kenneth Deutsch 21 47:19.643 1:26.538 2:11.654 15 97.073
5 16 Carl Goutell 20 45:53.008 --2 Laps-- 2:12.098 14 96.746
6 6 Joe Galyon 7 15:52.781 --15 Laps-- 2:07.963 2 99.873
7 3 Jim Brannon 7 16:29.942 37.161 2:08.045 3 99.809
8 17 Donald Brown 1 2:59.634 --21 Laps-- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 4 Jason Slahor 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 10 Jon Bruner 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 9 Brad Davis 14 31:10.313 2:07.707 3 100.073


Road Atlanta Nov 2004

Class: Unlimited 1

1 1 Andrew Kiker 19 28:29.933 0.133 1:33.060 3 98.259
2 11 Tim Richardson 19 28:56.626 26.826 1:35.127 7 96.124
3 4 Jason Slahor 19 29:25.001 55.201 1:36.050 14 95.200
4 16 Joe Galyon 18 28:38.633 7.460 1:38.923 16 92.435
5 19 Michael Beamer 18 29:29.469 58.296 1:39.853 10 91.575
6 18 David Butler 18 30:02.843 1:31.670 1:42.976 16 88.797
7 17 Bobby Butler 18 30:03.274 1:32.101 1:42.963 16 88.809
8 5 Gary Slahor 17 25:53.039 --3 Laps-- 1:34.429 15 96.835
9 14 Rob Morris III 6 8:33.412 --14 Laps-- 1:36.496 3 94.760
10 9 Randy Domikis 3 3:24.771 --17 Laps-- 1:38.048 3 93.260(stuck)
11 12 Griff Goad 2 4:40.673 --18 Laps-- 4:21.669 2 34.945
DNS 7 Brent Harper 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 22 Ed McGlone 10 17:09.295 1:48.194 5 84.515
DQ 21 Greg Trimmer 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.---




Class: Unlimited 2

1 5 Jason Slahor 26 39:51.397 1:32.938 4 98.388
2 11 Tim Richardson 25 38:38.673 --1 Lap-- 1:34.999 4 96.254
3 9 Randy Domikis 25 39:29.745 51.072 1:35.998 21 95.252(Finished) 4 21 Greg Trimmer 25 39:37.271 58.598 1:35.724 13 95.525
5 22 Darrin Cuthbertson 25 39:38.086 59.413 1:36.186 20 95.066
6 16 Joe Galyon 24 39:17.284 --2 Laps-- 1:40.021 6 91.421
7 10 Robby Harper 24 39:20.656 3.372 1:40.050 5 91.394
8 34 Kenny Forsha 24 39:41.952 24.668 1:40.720 7 90.786
9 17 Bobby Butler 23 39:04.571 12.184 1:41.688 8 89.922
10 20 Charlie Gall 22 40:03.692 1:23.591 1:47.999 4 84.667
11 15 Robby Harper III 17 28:04.550 --9 Laps-- 1:40.821 7 90.695
12 1 Andrew Kiker 13 18:56.684 --13 Laps-- 1:32.077 5 99.308
13 49 Michael Lattos 9 16:02.454 --17 Laps-- 1:53.309 2 80.700
14 14 Rob Morris III 5 6:55.307 --21 Laps-- 1:35.930 4 95.319
DNS 8 Gary Slahor 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 12 Griff Goad 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 18 David Butler 22 36:02.582 1:40.053 8 91.392
DQ 4 Ed McGlone 9 15:10.485 1:46.464 5 85.888
DQ 7 Brent Harper 8 11:47.579 1:37.049 8 94.220
DQ 29 Tom O'Reilly 8 12:07.265 1:39.489 4 91.910
DQ 19 Michael Beamer 2 2:07.302 1:42.526 2 89.187
DQ 18 Nelson Hicks 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.---



Putnam Aug. 2004

Class: Unlimited 1

1 36 Randy Domikis 38 46:53.583 1:11.127 20 101.227(finished)
2 34 Jason Slahor 38 47:00.305 6.722 1:10.706 2 101.830
3 41 Scott Loewenstine 34 46:03.551 8.290 1:17.697 6 92.668
4 40 Tim Troy 27 41:18.675 --11 Laps-- 1:27.786 25 82.018
5 35 Gary Slahor 7 9:25.920 --31 Laps-- 1:10.607 6 101.973
6 37 Thomas G. Adams 6 9:05.267 --32 Laps-- 1:19.954 6 90.052


Class: Unlimited 2

1 35 Jason Slahor 38 46:38.178 1:09.113 3 104.177
2 43 Ken Forsha 35 46:11.494 0.237 1:16.276 28 94.394
3 36 Randy Domikis 21 26:12.412 18.868 1:10.778 20 101.727(broke reed) 4 45 Jim Farr 19 30:22.413 --19 Laps-- 1:14.642 16 96.460
5 44 Robby Harper 9 13:03.662 --29 Laps-- 1:17.545 6 92.849
6 42 Tim Thomas 4 6:20.290 --34 Laps-- 1:18.653 2 91.541
7 33 Darrin Cuthbertson 3 4:43.877 --35 Laps-- 1:13.343 2 98.169
DNS 40 Tim Troy 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 41 Scott Loewenstine 4 8:22.318 1:15.248 3 95.684
DQ 37 Gary Slahor 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- -



Mid Ohio May 2004

Class: Unlimited 1

1 31 Andrew Kiker 18 29:04.578 1:31.030 4 94.914
2 37 Randy Domikis 16 28:18.182 58.499 1:36.589 14 89.451(Finished)
3 41 David DeClue 16 28:33.468 1:13.785 1:40.955 5 85.583
4 43 Marc Paine 16 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
5 38 Thomas G. Adams 15 26:59.245 --3 Laps-- 1:42.435 2 84.346
6 42 Scott Loewenstine 6 13:31.258 --12 Laps-- 1:42.004 3 84.703
7 39 Ted Tackett 2 27:58.214 21:14.363 1:32.950 2 92.953
DNS 36 Rob Morris III 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 40 Tim Troy 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- -


Class: Unlimited 2

1 31 Andrew Kiker 29 46:25.235 1:31.521 3 94.405
2 37 Randy Domikis 29 46:40.943 15.708 1:33.009 17 92.894(Finished)
3 40 Darrin Cuthbertson 26 43:02.590 --3 Laps-- 1:35.766 21 90.220
4 39 Chuck Bunnell 25 48:51.992 1:45.740 1:46.409 6 81.196
5 44 Brian Zwart 24 46:26.965 --5 Laps-- 1:42.569 17 84.236
6 46 David DeClue 15 27:21.315 --14 Laps-- 1:41.526 11 85.101
7 45 Tim Troy 5 10:29.165 --24 Laps-- 1:47.787 3 80.158
8 43 Bryan Kupper 5 23:22.414 12:53.249 1:51.520 2 77.475
DNS 36 Rob Morris III 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 38 Ted Tackett 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 42 Scott Loewenstine 26 46:47.708 1:41.871 26 84.813



Summit Point July 2004

Class: Unlimited #1

1 4 Jason Slahor 36 45:45.756 1:16.773 9 93.783
2 6 Randy C. Domikis 36 45:56.225 10.469 1:16.870 3 93.665(Finished) 3 13 Tim Richardson 35 45:45.275 --1 Lap-- 1:19.719 3 90.317
4 11 Clark A. Gaynor, Sr. 34 45:37.327 --2 Laps-- 1:19.776 3 90.253
5 9 Jim Anthony 33 45:34.994 --3 Laps-- 1:23.649 24 86.074
6 1 Andy Kiker 22 27:27.343 --14 Laps-- 1:16.587 9 94.011
7 2 Greg Trimmer 18 37:56.350 11:06.914 1:22.536 12 87.235
8 8 Christopher Reinhardt 13 16:03.706 --23 Laps-- 1:18.543 12 91.669
9 7 Rob Morris III 12 14:24.037 --24 Laps-- 1:16.933 3 93.588
10 10 John W. Ziermann 10 13:52.539 --26 Laps-- 1:27.841 7 81.966
11 14 P. Anthony Hammond 3 3:21.184 --33 Laps-- 1:32.907 3 77.497
DNS 15 Chris Taylor 10 43:30.723 40:09.539 1:24.160 6 85.551
DQ 16 Michael Beamer 2 1:41.160 --34 Laps-- 1:30.222 2 79.803



VIR March 2004

Class: Unlimited #1

1 5 Gary Slahor 29 46:16.706 1:33.290 11 84.897
2 4 Jason Slahor 10 16:24.070 --19 Laps-- 1:33.377 4 84.817
3 9 Christopher Reinhardt 9 15:15.516 --20 Laps-- 1:36.664 5 81.933
4 13 P. Anthony Hammond 8 15:46.468 --21 Laps-- 1:51.928 6 70.760
5 8 Clark A. Gaynor, Jr. 6 11:02.757 --23 Laps-- 1:33.672 4 84.550
6 7 Randy C. Domikis 4 7:55.659 --25 Laps-- 1:34.920 2 83.439(stick) 7 6 Rob Morris III 3 16:38.872 8:38.270 1:37.451 3 81.272
DNS 1 Andy Kiker 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DNS 12 Jim Anthony 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 2 Greg Trimmer 6 10:36.017 1:38.175 4 80.672
DQ 10 Michael Beamer 2 4:03.941 1:41.364 2 78.134
DQ 11 Marc Paine 2 12:09.079 9:57.335 2 13.259


Class: Unlimited #2

1 9 Christopher Reinhardt 22 36:13.122 1:34.265 7 84.018
2 11 Robby Harper 21 35:56.391 --1 Lap-- 1:37.714 5 81.053
3 13 Clark A. Gaynor, Jr. 20 36:02.454 0.617 1:33.013 6 85.149
4 10 Ken Forsha 20 37:25.931 1:24.094 1:40.487 3 78.816
5 12 Brian Zwart 18 34:43.491 --4 Laps-- 1:48.962 11 72.686
6 14 Jim Farr 15 25:53.076 --7 Laps-- 1:37.954 6 80.854
7 5 Jason Slahor 13 21:30.238 --9 Laps-- 1:32.382 5 85.731
8 6 Gary Slahor 13 26:53.145 5:22.907 1:31.925 6 86.157
9 8 Randy C. Domikis 7 11:57.461 --15 Laps-- 1:31.974 5 86.111 (Accident with a back marker leading the race)
10 7 Rob Morris III 2 4:14.603 --20 Laps-- 1:35.073 2 83.304
DNS 1 Andy Kiker 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -
DQ 2 Greg Trimmer 3 6:04.438 1:37.876 2 80.919



Kershaw March 2004


Class: Unlimited 2

1 7 Gary Slahor 19 29:51.182 --6 Laps-- 1:38.209 3 84.310
2 8 Randy Domikis 19 30:35.209 44.027 1:39.702 5 83.047(finished) 3 2 Greg Trimmer 19 32:46.304 2:55.122 1:41.025 14 81.960
4 5 Jason Slahor 18 29:51.185 58.642 1:42.370 3 80.883
5 6 Scott Loewenstine 16 30:48.695 --9 Laps-- 1:58.172 15 70.067
6 11 Rob Morris 5 6:45.881 --20 Laps-- 1:40.054 5 82.755
7 9 Darrin Cuthbertson 4 5:20.974 --21 Laps-- 1:43.773 4 79.789
DNS 1 Andrew Kiker 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- - -


Class: Unlimited 1

1 1 Andrew Kiker 19 29:54.101 --7 Laps-- 1:37.959 2 84.525
2 9 Rob Morris 18 28:27.110 2.877 1:38.874 15 83.743
3 8 Randy Domikis 18 28:45.888 21.655 1:39.480 5 83.233(finished) 4 4 Jason Slahor 18 29:16.587 52.354 1:41.160 6 81.851
5 2 Greg Trimmer 18 29:41.002 1:16.769 1:42.480 2 80.796
DQ 5 Gary Slahor 9 13:24.364 1:39.495 5 83.220
DQ 6 Scott Lowenstine 9 16:17.307 1:57.495 3






3. "Its not laydown versus situp its obviously going in the direction of some form of hybrid situp.Its about not letting some nimrod such as your self define what that is.Please go race WSK just not on top of WKA unlimited , then it is my bussiness."

AGAIN, THE US SUPERKART SERIES IS NOT A PIGGYBACK SERIES ON "TOP" OF WKA. You will always have WKA to run, just not US Superkarts.

As Chris R. stated previously....."Dead Horse"

JR.... I personally think what you have done for us is great and I appreciate it.

Randy Domikis

[Robert Lawson]

We may have to get Charlie and the official measuring tape in here but I think thats the longest single post in forum history!!!!!!!

Nice job Randy, way to do your homework.

I understand the grief on all parts, but the name calling should really stop before someone gets their eye poked out!!!!!

Starting to sound like the WERA BBS

Somebody bust out a slotcar track or something. QUICK!

RPM

[ted dale]

HAY MIKE I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE TIMES THAT RANDY PUT UP.
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU TALK ABOUT US WHEN YOU HAVE TIMES THAT A BRIGGS COULD BEAT AVERAGE OF 10sc A LAP WHAT WAS YOU DOING STOPPING FOR A CIG SO UNLESS YOU CAN RUN WITH THE BIG DOGS GET OF OUR PORCH,,,, NOW GO STICK YOU LAYDOWN WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE

[Randy Domikis]

Robert,

Sorry about the long post. I just wanted to clear a few things up.

You are really right. I sometimes get a little bothered. If you or anyone goes back and reads my post..... All I said was that this is a simple issue to fix. The US Superkart Series would not effect the WKA Unlimited class except to possibly take some competitors out of the class. I feel that the WKA was going to lose them anyway for multiple reasons ( just my opinion).

This series is planned for venues other than WKA National events and I think it is a good idea.

I would understand if the series were displacing a current WKA class on the schedule, but it is not. It is in addition to the WKA series. As a matter of fact, I think one could run both series if they really wanted to. It is always their choice to run any series out there along as they conform to the series rules. Think about 100cc Yamaha..... would they allow a 100cc Honda if it were available??? Probably not. It is Yamaha and if you want to run the class, you must have a Yamaha.

Many of us petitioned the WKA to adopt WSK rules for the class and I do not believe that it got one inch of progress. US Superkarts came along and it interested many many people. Their obviously must have been an underlying interest in something other than WKA. That is my only point.

I, in no way mean to offend anyone, but I do not like personal shots taken at me. I will obviously fight back as I have here. I am sorry if I have offended anyonw with my comments.

Randy Domikis

[ted dale]

While i am on a roll Michael. Summit Fast lap 1.16.2 you 1.30 thats 14.8 SLOW VIR fast lap 1.33.2.you....1.41.3 thats back marker slow ,, So what the hell do race what kind of 250 is it ,, if its not a 250 why the hell are you giving us **** .. go away and play with the small slow guys that you are used too ,,, Dont forget to keep your elbows in because when we pass you we will take them off

[Don Engebretsen]

Randy,

BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO

I have been following this thread and your last 2 posts are artwork. I especially agree with your comments about WSK rules and the WKA response. I am aware of the underlying reasons, but the work that the 2 JR's have done has resulted in a dream 5 race series that I will gladly participate in and support.

Don Engebretsen

[michael beamer]

Ted Dale I dont know you but you you seem to have the same technique as randy .I built a brand new kart new motor new chassis new design .I did not buy it out of a box .If it takes me a few races to tune it at least its mine.My incredibly slow 250 managed to blow by randy on the straight at Atlanta just about every practice .I then proceeded to finish the race 5th out of 14 1.9 seconds off randys fast lap/ we were both over 4secs off the leader/ the first time I had it up to good speed but still off the pace.I also am building a second twin kart and will be more then willing to put the quality of what I show up with against any of your spec box karts.

Randy I have some advice for you .I have brought my kids to the track most of the races for the last two years.What you are accusing me of is outrageous.To claim that you have witnessed me smoking crack cocaine at the track or any where else is slander on a public forum. I might disagree about racing We might ridicule driving but that is a crime.You ever say something like that again and I am going to own your anderson.Its typical of your mentality.

Check the schedule :Barber WKA regional

Atlanta WKA national

running at the same time as WKA unlimited / how is this seperate and not piggybacking / it seems that we already have a series, you guys need to do what you keep claiming and actually have a seperate series please
that is the point .

[Marc Miller]

Guys guys guys - I have not entered my opinions or feelings on this entire thread for one reason.

So I could come in later when all you little kids have made enough fools out of yourselves and shut it down completely because no one seems to be able to have a discussion w/o name calling and individual bashing.

Consider this a warning ..... I have no trouble making this entire thread disappear. We have 9 pages of threads... and 2 of them are worth keeping.

Keep it civil.
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[David Cole]

Michael, I think you are alone in the argument, which I think this whole thread is about:

>>>running at the same time as WKA unlimited / how is this seperate and not piggybacking / it seems that we already have a series, you guys need to do what you keep claiming and actually have a seperate series please
that is the point<<<

The series is a series that is attending certain karting events in order to try to get as many 250 Superkarts together to race, something similar to the SKI F125 Challenge. It is a series to attend great facilities for 250 Superkarts. The USSC is bringing entries to these events and helping to promote Superkart racing at the same time. It is in no way to bash the WKA National Series but they do not have a 250 Twin National Class Championship, so why would Twins follow the WKA series.

But to be honest, there really hasn't been much of a Unlimited Class in WKA number wise. Look at the past few years and see how many drivers actually follow the series. 9 races is a lot for any racer, let alone a Superkart team. This is a 5 race series, spread out throughout the year, where drivers who choose to still have the chance to support their local clubs.

Hell, some of the drivers that have Superkarts now wouldn't have them if the race at Laguna, that started the WSK and now the USSC, had never happened. Many of the drivers are former 125 drivers who got tired of bouncing off everyone and saw the Superkart as a fast package that you could order from a company. Laydowns are not that simple, like you and Randy J have said, you both had to build your own.

My feeling is as long as you have a place to run your kart, WKA Unlimited, don't worry and try your best to promote laydown 250's with those running laydown kart already and not bash those who are running Superkarts.

And I agree with Marc, keep it to opinions and not name calling
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[michael beamer]

David Cole I have a sit up style kart with out a wing cr250 .I also have lay downs but this is not the point. As I have said this is about single 250s not twin 250s. The twins are not part of an existing national class.The singles are.Just what exactly is a super kart and who gets to define it.The very people disagreeing with me would protest JRs kart because it is not spec enough. They are for ICE SPEC rules but what is that.Is it what you can make or is it what you can buy?Or what comes in the box.When you put hard rules on such things as wing end plates and other minuscia you stop creative evolution.That is what I am repeatedly saying.Have some rules situp only fine but let it evolve as JR is obviously doing. The ICE karts come with side pods yet his has a full panelled body.If this class is going to take over the world now is the time to decide what it is .If the 250 singles are going to come to an existing class in an existing series,run at the same time and take entrys out of the class, then the people who are affected should have some input into these rules.I am not the only one with these concerns anybody who builds their own doesnt want to be constrained by what comes in a box.Some people build their own because they want to.Randy J started with an anderson chassis/BRC twin ,the body must be legal as per JRs ,so by taking the wing off and changing the seat to adapt it to the track make it not a SUPERKART ?This is supposed to be the top class, when you cant change a seat and remove the wing to go faster, why?JR might have good intentions but he is not a dictator. A lot of people want to make this ICE single class a spec class ,but alot of people dont.

The SKI 125 series run within the existing class not against it.

[George Sunderland]

I was out for awhile but I've come to the conclusion its a lot more fun arguing with you guys than arguing with my wife and I still get to sleep in my own bed afterwards!!!! I like 2-stroke all kart racers and I hope for our individual and group good we can all gert along. I will point out thought the LAST thing karting needs is one more individual series (not picking on any existing series but we sdure don't need another one). And, Who the hell defined the term Superkart? To someone totally unfamiliar with our sport, a Briggs Animal could be a Superkart. All they would know is its different than a yard or concession kart. Persoanlly I think ANY kart capable of going faster than 120 is a Superkart. Beamer: Love ya man!!

[Steve Tillman]

Mr Beamer,

It apears you no nothing about JR's kart so you should try keeping your mouth shut when talking about it, his kart is not a one off special with a one piece body, it is a 4 piece body off of the Formula 1 superkart from Europe and is 100% within the rules, you can go to their web site if you would like to purchase one, the only thing that was in question was the placement of the rear wing which increased the overall lenght of his kart, but that has been taken care of for 2005, so stick to facts and data which you obviously don't have any of before making statements you know nothing about.

Steve Tillman

[Mark Brown]

Michael,

Superkarts are made up from two classes of karts the F/E's and the IC/E's. It seems as though you are trying to separte the two, and you can't. An IC/E is and always has been part of the Superkart format in the US , Europe, and Austraila. If you look at the last letters that designate the class "E" (as discribed by CIK/FIA and that is where "I" get the term superkart from) it "should" be obvious that the two classes belong together. I know we are not conforming to CIK/FIA specs, as Riley pointed out, but we are close. I think the WKA are using the IC/E because it was not a twin and fit the general requierments of the unimited class so you could get requiered numbers, I could be wrong here, I dont know that much about the WKA rules.

I have seen no eveidence of any requierment on wing end plate sizes in the USSC rules. (east or west) There was a rule in the WSK about end plate size, but I think it was a minimum size requierment. If you take note J.R.'s body work is basicly a european design, (F1) to be exact, but with an Anderson style nose. P1 and J.R. have done what every racer does, improve an existing design. << creative evolution.

USSC is still not taking anything away from you. If there are drivers with IC/E karts that want to run both the USSC and your Unlimited race, they can. If they only want to run USSC then that is thier choice, not yours.

[Mike LaHood]

I may be wrong, but I have just read the USSC rules, and
I dont see any that would bar a laydown 250 from running. you would have to put a wing on, but other than the bodywork rules i dont see why a laydown couldnt run.
As far as it being a spec series, i think thats way off base. the only thing that is required is for a racer to conform to some overall dimensions. everything else is pretty much open.

[Randy Domikis]

To Marc Miller;

Point well taken.

To Beamer, sorry.. I did not mean to imply "crack".....


Will someone please post an overlay schedule of the USSK and the WKA National Series. It would be good for all competitors to see the number of races that they could attend throughout the year. Heck, even throw in the regional series on the east and west. If someone sends all of the schedules to me in a PM, I will put them in a spreadsheet for all of us.

Randy Domikis