TaG Race in Jacksonville...

Axel Korn · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:01 pm Post subject: TaG Race in Jacksonville...

So how did the TaG race turn out in Jacksonville? Was the senior and masters a tight race? Which motors were on the podium in both classes? How did it all go down?

David Thompson SR · Joined: 06 Mar 2002 Posts: 584

Kaitlin Mangham of Jacksonville Florida Had a 2nd On Saturday and a 1st on sunday In her Birel/EasyKart, In tag Sr.

In tag masters Manuel Lobos on His Birel/Easykart won on sunday.

That's all I know

Dave

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Mike Manning · Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:53 pm Post subject:

There has been some speculation about the competitivness of the Rotax in TAG form. I am glad to announce the Rotax I prepared for Susie Mcilroy for Jacksonville SKUSA qualified 2nd on Saturday and pole on Sunday. It's always a tough battle when competing against open ignition IAME motors but I'm confident now that it can be done. It was a pleasure working with Steve Mcilroy and Tom Johnson. Thank you also to Enzo and Luke for the Birel chassis and tuning.

Mike Manning mmkhrt@aol.com
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Graeme Fraser · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:14 am Post subject:

Congratulations Mike. It's good to see the Rotax do well in TAG.

What do you mean when you say open ignition IAME's? Per TAG rules, the ignition is supposed to be OEM and factory spec. Am I missing something?

Thanks....

Graeme

charles pistorio · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:17 am Post subject:

i was curious what motors did what down there.... with all this high tech envent lab real time scoring that stars and skusa uses why cant they figure out a way to put the chassis and engine etc. on the results.....
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Sally Mangham · Joined: 13 Sep 2001 Posts: 127

I don't know all of them, but here are most for TaG Sr.

Kaitlin Mangham - EasyKart
Jonatan Jorge - EasyKart
Joe Janowski - Veloce/Sonik
Sean Isreal - EasyKart
Susie McIllroy - Birel/Rotax
Adam Kretschmer - Birel/Rotax
Derek Crockett - Intrepid/??

Hope that helps.

TaG Masters had a good number of EasyKarts as well.

Chaz Clover · Joined: 18 Jul 2001 Posts: 879

Bob Francis · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 9:20 am Post subject:

i believe what they mean is that the staitc timing is movable but the ignition is stock. this is a guess
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Jim Russell, Jr. · Advertiser Joined: 03 Oct 2001 Posts: 1535

Static timing is fixed and not adjustable. The ignition is to fire +/- 1 degree.

Jim jr.
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Rodney Berryhill · Joined: 07 Oct 2001 Posts: 450

Saturday
Masters

1st Easy Kart
2nd Intrepid/Leopard
3rd Intrepid/Leopard

Sunday

1st Easy Kart
2nd Intrepid/Leopard
3rd CRG/Rotax

There was about ten karts in this class.
One hardship award must go out to Jeff Mills he was on the Intrepid/Leopard and was leading the main on Sunday by almost the whole straight when he took the white flag then the front driver stripped out putting him out of the race.

Rodney Berryhill

Bill Wright · Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 8:17 am Post subject:

I'll have to admit I was somewhat suprised to see the level of competiton between the various engine packages. If you look at the top 4-5 you will see a good representation of how close the racing was. Rotax, Easy Kart, Leopard, and Sonic all ran very close times, multiple pole winners, multiple pre and final winners.

If you were there, you saw some very close racing at the front in both classes.

I have to admit that when TaG was announced I had my doubts. After the Jax event I am encouraged that this thing may work. I'll wait until we get back from Moran to draw any real conclusion, though.
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John Denman · Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:06 am Post subject:

Bill Wright · Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 10:59 am Post subject:

John,

IMO those classes died...............because nobody was racing them. IMO putting them together would have killed them even faster. The whole purpose of those single-make classes was so you didn't race anything else. Three years ago Homestead had a huge Formula Y following, but Easy Kart and Rotax put an end to it. I hear there are still areas where HPV and Formula Y are very popular. But not anywhere around here.

As far as initial reactions to the TaG concept, I recall seeing skepticism, not bitterness. There is still some skepticism on my part. And there is definitely some inequity in the current formula. It's going to be very hard to make all the engine packages equal. I'm starting to lean toward a limited number of engines allowed for my upcoming Fall Series. I'll be announcing all the details for that on July 1st.

IMO success for TaG will be the same as it has been for Rotax, or any other engine package for that matter. It will come down to who is promoting it, and how. Most people just want to race, have fun, and know they have a chance to be competitive. I'd say the TaG results so far indicate that is possible. Time will tell.................. Wink

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John Denman · Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:06 pm Post subject:

Bill, I wasn't picking on you - too much.

Some Rotax dealers (not you) were giving us a very hard time about TAG at first. That has subsided, especially after we handed the whole thing off to TAGUSA.

We still have a handful of diehards with Formula Y's and HPV's in the Dallas area that run in a Brackets class - along with a few other configurations.

One of the things I keep seeing in karting is class growth. I agree we need room to sell new packages, but at the same time we need to consolidate those with lower entries. We see this going on in the shifter world and have something in the works to attempt to rationalize that, at least for the clubs and regional type promotors. (Then again, thats who the intended market was for TAG too).

You've done an exceptional job at servicing the market both as a retailer and as a promotor. Just thought you needed to hear that.
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Chad Stapleton · Joined: 19 Jul 2001 Posts: 4403