Italsistem TAG Owners Get the Shaft From SKUSA

[Bob Francis]

i beleive the rules and weights for TAGUSA and SKUSA are as spelled out by TAGUSA a living document. and i think you will see adjustments throughout this season. the dyno work was done and now it's time to race as stated in the previous post. and then we can argue at the first set of changes.
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B.Francis,

[Jon Andrews]

[Clay Maddox]

I think we can keep dreaming about hoping to see the testing results. They will not release the results because they don't want to be liable for showing that one engine puts out more than the other engine. It is just like all the kart magazines do not do comparative testing of chassis or engines. It should be done just like Motor Trend or Car and Driver test cars against each other but kart manufacturers will not go for it.

[Michael Polizzi]

[Axel Korn]

Jon, with all due respect - How do you know how the Italsistem will stack up in either class. How many races have you or anyone else you know, consistently raced against most of the other motor packages with the newly developed weights? Even if SKUSA makes the changes you wish and the Italsistem still gets hammered by the others, do you expect them to make changes until the Italsistem is on top?

The reality is that you and I have no access to the test results. Even if we did, I bet they could easily interpreted in different ways. I don't doubt that anything that makes a hair more power than the Italsistem with the specs outlined, would be considered unfair and outright cheating.

This is no different, than when someone in a Yamaha class keeps winning. The only difference there is, that the engine builder probably gets accused of cheating, since everyone is racing a Yamaha and it surely can't be pin pointed to the manufacturer. There are SO MANY things that need to be right in order to win. The engine surely has some influence in this department. However even a motor with 10 more hp, in a lousy chassis, with a lousy driver will become prey.

Why don't we get half a season or so under our belts and evaluate results from various regions. It will clearly be established, whether weight changes and technical specs call for a change.

[Marty Troup]

Racers,Racers and Racers.....

Why all the anger and finger pointing think of all the stress and headachs

Just a reality check as the majority of the TaG class is here to have fun,
Not to have a second carrere racing Cart or F1 or to make money at this.

We want a level playing feild and a safe place with safe rules so we can race again.

I have 2 points here

1.The best fun you can have in this sport is when you are out in front racing with friends, hands down!!!!


2.Lets not just look at total HP output on a motor as I am sure (THEY) do not and remember.... HP ratings Will vary or do they test them like drill and saw motors crank them till they break and take the best# IE run the motor hard and lean till it burns up and take the best#
Even then it will not work well on the track as I would love to have max HP from idle to top rpm at my foot, Their are to many variables and what do you really want!!!
One race a year to decide who has the best kart!! I think not as you always try to come back next time with a different DRIVING STYLE or CHASSIS SET UP not always the motor!!Do you see where I am going??

3. Let the weights stand and they will be adjusted if needed. I do not know if they ran all the motors on the same chassis with new tires each time with the same driver as each package will take different chassis adjustments and drivers style so you can see what is the right weight???

I am sure you could burn up 2 to 3 motors of each and develope an computer program that will overlay torque and HP at different rpms and come up with a correct weight but then what do you do about the chassis?????

Do we limit the adjustment and so on or do we allow team chassis as we would not have team un spec. motors

My point is its not time to shoot those who come up with weights but lets try them and see if you still have the smile on your face you should.

Good Luck

[Jon Andrews]

[Jack TerHeun]

I know, it's cause they don like da phat people..uh huh. Shape up.
Sell the Stem, buy a pinto, and become a pizza delivery man.
J-Who?
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Rotax International

[Erik Kullenberg]

ouch

very ouch

but true

[Bob Francis]

jon calm down dude. i think or at least hope you will see a clarification on senior and heavy. to maybe say light and heavy or med and heavy. then masters will become heavy and then you can runn that thing of yours.
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[tim finley]

I think some people are missing the point, and that point is, maybe there are some karters out there that would like to run the ml47 in the sr class and cannot because it has been excluded. Forget the weight, that is not the issue, the issue being discussed and the ruling being questioned is: why is the motor excluded from the sr class? I would like to know the answer to this question.

I was and probably will still purchase this motor in digital setup. Me and my kart (no weight added) weight in at 395 lbs. Me at 190, my kart at 195 gear, 5 pounds for gear and then fuel. total 395. This is with a leopard. The italsis motor is ideal for me and alot of others that are in the same boat.

So, why was the motor excluded?

Seeing what will happen in 6 months won't happen. The motor is not running in the class!

It is a bunch of crap is what it is.
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[joseph hollinger]

[Brad Linkus]

I have a few things to say about the weights and testing. First, I believe that Marty has done his best to get all of the engine importers and engines that importers would not provide together on this project. He has put in alot of effort in a short period time under pressure from everyone with many things unexpected happening at the last minute go wrong do you know what I mean? Thanks! There were three runs done on each engine. I did see the results of the testing and was surprised that most of the engines were very close in HP, within 1-1.2. I did not see the results of the Italsistem but if it has the power stated it should have more weight added for the digital Ign. There was not one engine over 27 HP. If the digital ign engine has 31 hp it should not weigh the same as the Sonik, Comer and Biland in Master. The easy kart had the lowest HP 24-25. The Sonik and Roc were in the 27's, Biland, leopard, Rotax, Comer, BM, 26's. In Sr I would have the Easy kart at the lowest weight 350, Leopard, Comer, BM, Biland, Rotax (with open needle on carb) weight 365, Sonik, Roc, Italsistem weight 375. Add 15lbs to Master all engines. It is up to Marty to release the results, he probably does not want to open that can of worms but I would If I was him just to get the brain damage over with. I would hope that they would be quick to make any adjustments and not wait for three races and piss everyone off if the weights they pick are a mile off. I do not know how they came up with the weights from the data I read.

[Peter Wakamatsu]

I have a suggestion: Why don't we wait until there are some real races with all of these different motors and wt classes and see what happens.

How can the sky be falling before one race has even started. I'm sure that if there are problems with the weights or whatever, reasonable people will be able to work it out.

Geez, do racers all like to bitch and moan so much?

BTW, I'm taking delivery (hopefully) of my Arrow/Leopard kart this weekend.

I'll be the slow one driving with my left blinker on!

LOL

[joseph hollinger]